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The Producer Speaks | Flash of Genius
Should inventors start a podcast—or become guests on someone else’s? Steven and Noah turn the microphone toward Product Genius producer Jodey Smith to explore how podcasting can help inventor entrepreneurs build credibility, develop an audience, create long-form marketing content, and network with people they might never otherwise reach. They discuss documenting the invention journey, borrowing the audience of established podcasts, choosing shows with the right listener fit, and why good production lets the host focus on the conversation. Also: Metallica, Weird Al, Smurfette, Hulk Hogan, Mr. T, and several questionable 1980s cartoons.
Core Topics for this episode:
- Marketing
- Inventor Strategy
Key Takeaways Include:
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The Producer Speaks: How Podcasting Can Help Inventors Build an Audience and a Network
Inventors spend a lot of time thinking about how to get people interested in a product.
Advertising is one answer.
Social media is another.
But there is another medium that can do something those channels often struggle to accomplish: give people enough time with you to actually feel like they know you.
In this Flash of Genius mini-episode, Steven Julian and Noah McNeely turn the microphone toward Product Genius producer Jodey Smith to talk about podcasting—and why inventors and entrepreneurs may want to consider either creating a podcast of their own or appearing as a guest on someone else’s.
Podcasting Is More Than an Audience-Building Tool
When people think about starting a podcast, they usually think about audience size.
How many downloads can I get?
How many subscribers?
How quickly can I become the next enormous podcasting celebrity?
Jodey points out that one of podcasting’s most valuable benefits can exist even when the audience is relatively small:
Access.
Having a podcast gives you a legitimate reason to contact interesting people and invite them into a conversation.
Jodey has spoken with Grammy winners, television actors, musicians, CEOs, and other people he might never have had an opportunity to meet otherwise.
And interestingly, they did not necessarily ask how large his audience was.
They were invited to have a conversation about something they cared about.
For an inventor entrepreneur, that can be enormously valuable.
Your Podcast Can Become a Networking Engine
Imagine you are developing a product in the outdoor industry.
A podcast could give you a reason to interview retailers, product designers, athletes, manufacturers, industry experts, trade-show organizers, and other people who understand that market.
You are creating content for an audience.
But you are also building relationships.
That is what Jodey calls one of the “fringe benefits” of podcasting.
The interview itself may last 30 or 45 minutes.
The relationship can last much longer.
For inventors, who frequently need expertise, introductions, feedback, partnerships, and industry contacts, that networking value can be every bit as important as the number of people listening.
You Don’t Have to Already Be the Expert
Another misconception is that you need to be an established authority before starting a podcast.
Not necessarily.
Jodey explains that a podcast can document a journey.
That format can be particularly natural for an inventor.
Product development already has a story built into it.
Where did the idea come from?
What problem are you trying to solve?
How did the first prototype fail?
What did customers tell you?
How did you find a manufacturer?
What surprised you about tooling?
What happened when you finally launched?
An audience can follow the process as it unfolds.
Instead of pretending to have every answer, you can invite knowledgeable people onto the show and learn alongside the listener.
Over time, the podcast becomes both content and a record of the business journey.
Long-Form Content Builds Familiarity
Steven points out another strength of podcasting: it is long-form marketing.
A social-media post may earn a few seconds of attention.
A podcast can put your voice in someone’s ears for half an hour or more.
That creates a different kind of connection.
Listeners hear how you think.
They hear your personality.
They hear your story.
They hear how you respond to questions and how you interact with guests.
Over time, that familiarity can build trust.
For an inventor trying to develop a brand around a product—or an entrepreneur trying to establish credibility within an industry—that can be powerful.
Being a Podcast Guest Can Be Even Easier
Of course, not every inventor wants to become a podcaster.
There is equipment to understand.
Episodes to plan.
Guests to schedule.
Audio to edit.
Shows to publish.
And apparently a producer is required to make Noah and Steven sound considerably better than they do in real life.
Fortunately, you can get many of the benefits without producing a show yourself.
Become a guest.
When you appear on an established podcast, you gain access to an audience someone else has already built.
That audience also receives you with a certain amount of borrowed credibility: the host thought you were interesting enough to invite onto the show.
For an inventor launching a product, guest appearances can be a useful way to tell the origin story, explain the problem, educate potential customers, and introduce the invention without relying entirely on traditional advertising.
Choose Podcasts With the Right Audience
The important question is not simply whether a podcast is large.
It is whether the listeners are relevant.
Steven compares it to being an opening act for a musician.
If you are opening for an artist whose audience has no interest in what you do, the size of the crowd may not matter very much.
The same applies to podcast appearances.
An inventor with a specialized woodworking tool may benefit far more from appearing on a modest but respected woodworking podcast than on a much larger show whose listeners have no particular interest in tools or woodworking.
Audience alignment matters.
Find the people who already care about the problem your product solves.
A Good Podcast Still Requires Production
This episode also provides a useful reminder that podcasting involves more than talking into a microphone.
Noah freely admits that without Jodey, Product Genius might consist of Noah and Steven sitting across a table having a conversation nobody else ever hears.
Recording quality matters.
Editing matters.
Publishing matters.
Consistency matters.
Technical details matter.
A producer can remove friction from all of those things so the host can concentrate on the content.
That is similar to product development itself.
You can learn every discipline yourself.
Or you can decide which parts deserve your time and bring in specialists for the rest.
Podcasting Can Support the Brand Behind the Product
For inventor entrepreneurs, one of the most interesting possibilities is using a podcast to build something larger than a single SKU.
A product may have a finite set of features.
A brand can own a conversation.
An inventor developing a product for parents might create content about the broader problem the product addresses.
A fitness-product entrepreneur might interview coaches, athletes, therapists, and researchers.
A kitchen-product inventor might talk with chefs and food entrepreneurs.
Now the company is not merely saying, “Buy our thing.”
It is participating in the community surrounding the thing.
That can create relationships and authority that remain valuable even as the product line evolves.
And Then There Are the Smurfs
Naturally, no Product Genius conversation about podcast strategy can remain entirely focused on podcast strategy.
Jodey reveals that Steven apparently sounds like Smurfette before post-production.
This leads to Gargamel, Christian-school television restrictions, Hulk Hogan’s wrestling cartoon, Mr. T, Turbo Teen, and Mystery Science Theater 3000.
There is probably no direct go-to-market lesson here.
Although if your podcast contains enough personality that listeners willingly follow you through a discussion of 1980s cartoons, you may be doing something right.
The Product Genius Take
Podcasting can be useful to an inventor in two different ways.
Start a show and you can build an audience, develop authority, document your entrepreneurial journey, and create opportunities to meet people you might never otherwise reach.
Appear on other people’s shows and you can borrow access to audiences that already exist.
Neither strategy requires millions of listeners to be worthwhile.
The right conversation with the right audience—or the right guest—can create relationships, credibility, and opportunities that extend far beyond the episode itself.
Your invention needs marketing.
But marketing does not always have to look like an advertisement.
Sometimes it looks like sitting down with an interesting person, turning on a microphone, and having a conversation worth hearing.
Just make sure you have somebody like Jodey around to fix your Smurfette voice afterward.
Or, read the full transcript here:
Steven Julian
It's Flash of Genius. We try to have a lot of genius things to say in a very short amount of time. Noah, you're doing something different. You're letting me do something different with this show.
Noah McNeely
Yes. Yes, I am.
Steven Julian
We are going to talk to the intrepid producer, Jody Smith, and we're going to interview him.
Noah McNeely
Yes.
Steven Julian
Okay. So let's do it. Jody, for everybody who's listened to the show and never heard your voice, say hello.
Jodey Smith
Hello. Oh.
Noah McNeely
See, he should be on.
Steven Julian
He should be on more often.
Noah McNeely
He's got a voice for that.
Steven Julian
Absolutely. In fact, Jody, JodySmith.com, you help people podcast, and your mission started out of you being a podcaster.
Jodey Smith
Right. Yeah, I became very interested in podcasting, and I actually took a month-long course. This was back in 2013, and I ended up enjoying it, helping a lot of my classmates, and that's where I really... I at first intended to do a podcast on my own, and I did, but I really found out that I liked helping my classmates, answering questions, helping with technical stuff, that kind of stuff. And so one time a classmate that I had helped kept telling. me to send an invoice, and I never would because I was like, nah, you know.
And so finally she just wrote me a check for $200 and put it in the mail.
Steven Julian
And then you returned it back and then she sent it back and it turned into a whole thing. It's still going today. Yes.
Jodey Smith
We've spent over $500 in postage.
Steven Julian
So one of the reasons why we brought you on is the topic of podcasting as it relates to an inventor and entrepreneur. Why should they first potentially do their own podcast?
Jodey Smith
Yeah. Podcasting has a lot of benefits that people don't necessarily realize. You know, some of those what I call friends benefits are things like being able to network, to have conversations with people that you might not ever actually be able to have a conversation with if you didn't have a podcast. I've talked to people that I never thought I would talk to because just because I had a podcast and I didn't even have like a big audience. They never asked if I had a big audience. I just said I had a.
And so I've talked to people who have won. Grammys. I've talked to actors from TV shows, musicians, CEOs of companies, just because I had a podcast.
Steven Julian
You'd be surprised how more open people are to talk if they get to talk about themselves or if you get to lead them down a good conversation that they enjoy. So as from one host to another, yeah, I get that. How about the topic of, or how about the concept of an inventor entrepreneur? Who says, well, I don't want to do my own podcast and do it constantly. How can I get on a podcast? Or what's the benefit of me trying to appear on a podcast?
Jodey Smith
You know, whoever, then you're getting exposure to their audience that they've built. And that gives you, you know, the credibility and the opportunity to serve their audience as well.
Steven Julian
Noah, what the opening act, he says, Carrie Underwood, what opening act would you have always wanted to be the opening act for?
Noah McNeely
Metallica. Metallica.
Steven Julian
Of course, mine would be Weird. Al Yankovic is the slightly annoying code.
Jodey Smith
Exactly. To say that. You would want to make sure it was an act that, you know, you had. similar audiences, you know.
Steven Julian
As. far as, and let me just pivot back to doing your own podcast. If you're an inventor entrepreneur that's trying to develop some following, the other thing about doing your own podcast is you get to. You get to control the message a little bit. And podcasting can be used as a long form of marketing. Is that correct?
Jodey Smith
Yeah, for sure. I mean, with a podcast, you are the expert. And that doesn't mean you have to come show up with expertise. A lot of people with their podcast are documenting a journey. And it can be interesting to follow a journey. And we've learned from talking to many inventors and talking to Noah. That the journey behind a product is multi-layered and interesting and very unique to different people. So just hearing the stories behind that, you get to feel like you know a person when you've heard their story.
Steven Julian
Noah, how has Jody helped you podcast?
Noah McNeely
Completely, because I would have no idea how to do this. If it weren't for Jody, you and I would just be sitting across the table each other talking and there'd be no microphones. No one other than us would ever.
Steven Julian
hear it. And the production, I don't know how often you go back and listen to our shows, but when I've sat here at the table with you and then I go listen to an episode later, I go, I don't remember it being that nice or sounding that good. I'm not that.
Noah McNeely
Yeah, we have much better voices when Jody does his magic than we do in real life.
Steven Julian
His post-production stuff is fantastic.
Noah McNeely
Frankly, your voice is so high-pitched, I can barely understand.
Steven Julian
I know exactly.
Jodey Smith
In real life, Steven sounds like a Smurf.
Steven Julian
Wow. Okay. That's what, yeah. Which one?
Jodey Smith
Smurfette.
Steven Julian
I thought it was more like Gargamel, the evil wizard, but I wasn't allowed to watch that show because I went to a Christian school growing up. Anyway, Jody, for those people who want to, who want help in podcasting, tell them how they can get in touch with you.
Jodey Smith
Yeah. So you can go to my website at JodySmith.com. That's J-O-D-E-Y. S-M-I-T-H dot com. And you can send, there should be a form on the page if you want to send me a message or you can email me. It's Jody at JodySmith.com, J-O-D-E-Y again. And I'll be glad to set up a time where we can get on a Zoom call, talk through your idea. See if it's a good fit.
Steven Julian
And one of the best things about your website is, unlike Noah, who will answer it, if they go to your website and they say, I have a great idea for a podcast, you'll get back to them right away.
Jodey Smith
Yeah.
Steven Julian
So they can put that on the submit form and you're okay with that. It doesn't irritate you the way it irritates Noah.
Jodey Smith
Yeah, that's fine.
Steven Julian
So you called me Smurfette and I just made fun of Noah. Noah, you get to make fun of Jody before we go. There's nothing to make fun of.
Noah McNeely
That was going to make fun of you again. I knew my role. It had to be a hardcore Christian school to ban the Smurfs.
Steven Julian
They didn't ban it. They just said we shouldn't watch it. So, of course, I watched it.
Noah McNeely
I was a heathen child. I watched every episode.
Steven Julian
Yeah. And when I watched it, I thought, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I'm going to go back to Hulk Hogan's wrestling cartoon.
Noah McNeely
That's what they should have banned.
Steven Julian
This is my last episode. I've quit the show because, Noah, speaking of wrestling, you can listen to the wrestling podcast, no marks allowed.
Noah McNeely
Did you watch the Mr. T cartoon?
Steven Julian
No, that was stupid. What were the kids doing in that cartoon? They were gymnasts. You didn't watch it. You didn't watch it. What was the one that, was it Turbo Teen where the teen turned into a car? Now that was freaky. His head and his mouth went all, Jody, yeah, you and I watched that. All right. Now you're going to make me want to go watch it. Mystery Science Theater 3000. Jody, thank you for being our intrepid producer. Thank you for sharing just a touch about how you can help people podcast and why people should be involved in podcasting.
Jodey Smith
Thank you. I'm honored to sit with you guys every time we record.
Steven Julian
And Noah, thank you for letting me be the host on this show and you haven't fired me yet.
Noah McNeely
That's my pleasure.
Jodey Smith
I'm not going to cry.
Steven Julian
Okay. We'll catch you next time on Flash of Genius. See the tears were fake.